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mender of bad soles · May 03, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

/signed first of all, but second:

I believe in proposing a solution if I complain about something. between Danny, and KJ, I'm sure we could find some ways to make botting much more difficult at the very least, if not make it a total pita to do.

Soles

Karate Jesus · May 03, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by mender of bad soles

/signed first of all, but second:

I believe in proposing a solution if I complain about something. between Danny, and KJ, I'm sure we could find some ways to make botting much more difficult at the very least, if not make it a total pita to do.

Soles

Unfortunately, I really doubt Anet would want to re-design their launch client, which would be my suggestion. And, honestly, that wouldn't stop anything except .dll injections (about 50% of the bots).

Oh, and from what I hear the client itself is a huge mess, so there may be no point in them even attempting it.

Zahr Dalsk · May 03, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25

As long as Guild Wars has grind, I'm 100% behind bots.

Don't want bots? Stop rewarding players for doing repetitive tasks.

sixdartbart · May 03, 2010, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

As long as Guild Wars has grind, I'm 100% behind bots.

Don't want bots? Stop rewarding players for doing repetitive tasks.

If you are too lazy to play a game and feel the need to cheat by using bots why bother logging in?

Keep defending the pathetic cheats, I'm sure you will go far.

Zahr Dalsk · May 03, 2010, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

If you are too lazy to play a game

Grindin' ain't playin', son, and ya best be learnin' that fast.

ll Jamie ll · May 03, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Nothing else to say but 100% /signed.

-Makai- · May 03, 2010, 11:45 PM // 23:45

/signed...but not before I max my Kurzick title.

/sarcam, of course. Those rupt bots need to die at least.

Martin Alvito · May 03, 2010, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

Geez Martin, using your eloquent academic language can't mask the utter tripe you just wrote. Care to review? "meaningful"? "accomplishments"? Oh puh-lease!

Just because you don't understand the impulse doesn't give you the right to sneer at people that do feel that way. Doing that just makes you a douchebag.

The point stands: people want to personalize their characters. Titles are one way you can do that in this game. Cheapen the time investment needed to achieve titles, and the people that invested time to personalize are going to get mad.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Don't want bots? Stop rewarding players for doing repetitive tasks.

QFT. Only solution.

II Lucky Charm II · May 04, 2010, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

The problem with this assessment is that the demand for titles will not go away. 100,000 fame is a lot.

Nothing in this world is permanent. Everything that has a beginning also has an end. Demand for titles will cease when people get what they want or when Guild Wars 2 comes out.

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Originally Posted by Deviant Angel

In case you didn't notice, it's not BvB. It's PvP.

I shouldn't have to put my security and account at risk because you and several others are too lazy (or incompetent) to play the damn game yourself. If the game has become so boring that you can't stand to play it, UNINSTALL!

How does "putting your security and account at risk" have anything to do with people being lazy? It's a matter of free will. Either you accept to be inferior to a bot or you can get on the playing field and join the botters. Since Anet isn't doing anything about this, it's only logical that you join the botters. The harsh truth is, Anet doesn't really care about this issue. My guild members have botted in HA for the past 5 months and none has yet being banned. Of course, they only started botting because anet didn't do anything about the other bots in HA. It's a domino effect that only anet can stop. Since these interrupt bots are pixel based, it's very hard for Anet to do anything and it's also very hard to report an interrupt bot. You would have to take 10+ pictures of the same skill getting interrupted at the same time to prove someone is guilty of botting.

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Originally Posted by fowlero

So by your logic doubling the energy cost of every important skill will render an interuptbot ineffective, mkay...

Energy management is one of the many necessities in PvP play. Bots can not manage their energy mainly because they are pre-programmed to use a certain skill when certain conditions are met. There is no need to double the energy for important skills since most of the important skills already have their own draw back. For example, powerblock will disable your own skill bar if you happen to miss. Say the mesmer is pre programmed to interrupt Restore condition or word of healing with powerblock, the players can always cancel the 5 energy skill (woh/RC) to put a huge disadvantage on the interrupt bot.

For song of concentration and altar capture map, you can always bring a knock down on your team to KD the interrupt bot so the paragon can put up the song. Everything that exists in this world has a counter. Nothing is perfect and flawless.

There is no need for this thread to stay open. Anet hasn't fixed botting problems for the past 6-7 months, what makes you think they will fix it now? In fact, I think they encourage botting as you are all aware that they are trying to kill guild wars one.

Also, since none of the representatives from Anet has said anything in this thread, you can safely assume that they do not care about the players.

Gennadios · May 04, 2010, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Given how cheap party and sweet items are ATM... I'll /sign once my 3 consumable titles are maxed.

sixdartbart · May 04, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Grindin' ain't playin', son, and ya best be learnin' that fast.

Is this your attempt at sounding grown up or tough?

pretty safe to say you failed either way but keep on trolling kiddo

Fay Vert · May 04, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

It is true that grind generates the need for bots. GW was supposed to be skill > time, but now it's mostly just another grind mmo. Hence the bots.

Shayne Hawke · May 04, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Also, since none of the representatives from Anet has said anything in this thread, you can safely assume that they do not care about the players.

Yeah, I'm sure it's this, and not that ANet doesn't really have anything that they can say in a thread like this that's going to win them any respect points from anyone.

The situation now is no different than it has been for a while. The Live team doesn't have the resources available to combat this problem directly any more than they already are, behind the scenes. If they saw a solution that they could implement in a reasonable amount of time, I'm sure they would do so.

What do you want them to do? Drop the Mesmer update and future content updates/PvP balances and work all-out on combatting an ever-evolving collaboration that focuses on reducing time and work investment necessary to achieve grind-based rewards in a dying game? You're delusional if you think that this is the right course of action, that it is an effective course of action, or that ANet would even consider trying to do this to GW.

II Lucky Charm II · May 04, 2010, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Yeah, I'm sure it's this, and not that ANet doesn't really have anything that they can say in a thread like this that's going to win them any respect points from anyone.

The situation now is no different than it has been for a while. The Live team doesn't have the resources available to combat this problem directly any more than they already are, behind the scenes. If they saw a solution that they could implement in a reasonable amount of time, I'm sure they would do so.

What do you want them to do? Drop the Mesmer update and future content updates/PvP balances and work all-out on combatting an ever-evolving collaboration that focuses on reducing time and work investment necessary to achieve grind-based rewards in a dying game? You're delusional if you think that this is the right course of action, that it is an effective course of action, or that ANet would even consider trying to do this to GW.

Hence why this thread doesn't need to stay open.

I Elite Starchild I · May 04, 2010, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Meridon

For a business, transparency towards it's clients is a virtue. Why Anet/NCSoft doesn't seem to get that is a mystery to me.

/signed.

This thread is ridiculous... everyone is /signing demanding a response from Anet? How many times does Anet have to tell you they consider botting a serious issue? How many times do you have to read dev's wiki pages saying they've banned X,XXX number of bots this week?

Have any of you thought about what would happen if Anet was more "transparent" about an issue as delicate as botting? You want bots removed but demanding information about their removal would effectively WARN botters to stop or take more caution.

A few examples come to mind.

1) Recent increased security measures. Do you remember the number of people complaining they couldn't remember the names of their characters on their accounts? Same situation!!! Players whined that Anet should have told us that this was going to happen. If they HAD told us... The measure would have been completely nullified. Botters and account hackers would have recorded character names to ensure access to additional accounts before it went into effect.
Note: Anet told us this measure was VERY successful in removing HUGE numbers of bots and account hackers (Ty again BTW). Yet we find it impossible to believe that Anet is serious about removing bots?

2) Botting Fast Faction Farms. Anet's position was to remove bots, but be lenient to first time offenders. Had anet told the community they were planning to let off botters easy, I garantee MORE people would have botted if they KNEW they could get away with it just one time! Heck, I would have botted the allegence title if I knew... but my title is still sitting at 550,000 pts.

tl:dr
A thread demanding information leading to the banning of bots is a double edged sword and will reduce the effecency of bot detection that Anet might employ, decreasing the number of bots banned, and leaving the issue partly unresolved.

A petition asking players to sign if they are overly offended by bots is a good way to let Anet know we as a community have had enough. But demanding information? Not the way to go.

Kaitoa · May 04, 2010, 02:02 AM // 02:02

@Lucky charm II
The harsh truth is, Anet doesn't really care about this issue. My guild members have botted in HA for the past 5 months and none has yet being banned.

You know this whole argument reminds me of the Hero Battle match fixing that used to happen. I think, when all is said and done, the end of it will be the same, ie Anet will do nothing, people will take advantage of this situation for as long as possible and finally Anet will stop it completely.

So what I say is this: Do what u think is right, keep doing that until you can not do it any longer

snaek · May 04, 2010, 02:06 AM // 02:06

if your viewpoint is anything like mine, anet is part-clueless and part-helpless in regards to this matter. its not like similar things have not happened in the past. over the years, i have lost a lot of respect for anet due to lack of communication or even acknowledgement to what i consider 'important' issues. even the slightest gesture of acknowledging issues goes a long way.

@shayne hawke, yes they have limited resources, but that does not mean simple courtesy statements wouldn't be appreciated. what have we gotten recently? micro-transaction costumes and a bunch of dismantle lore? numerous delays in balance updates? no anniversary content? if there was no kind of communication with regards to direction or plans for the future, i would only have to assume that anet no longer cares about the state of the game, but rather milking money from what is left of the dwindling playerbase (yadayadayada they're a business i know).

and this is a huge problem: whenever issues arise, people assume (bad) things (which could potentially be true) because of anet's lack of communication.

II Lucky Charm II · May 04, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I am 100% sure that this will happen again in Guild Wars 2. Wonder if people will still buy the game.

Bob Slydell · May 04, 2010, 02:11 AM // 02:11

Didn't someone suggest a while ago they have some sort of feature that requires you to proove you're not a bot with one of those captcha code thingies? A bot will never be able to fill one of those out without hacking the server to figure out which one is accepted which no one will ever be able to code. I ALSO doubt anet would add this but .... meh, it's really the only way. And the consequences for failing it more then say, 3 times, would be to just kick you offline for maybe an hour? Further failures or attempts to break the system = ban.

snaek · May 04, 2010, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

Didn't someone suggest a while ago they have some sort of feature that requires you to proove you're not a bot with one of those captcha code thingies? A bot will never be able to fill one of those out without hacking the server to figure out which one is accepted which no one will ever be able to code. I ALSO doubt anet would add this but .... meh, it's really the only way. And the consequences for failing it more then say, 3 times, would be to just kick you offline for maybe an hour? Further failures or attempts to break the system = ban.

i am not very familiar with programming, but if they would be anything like the captcha codes from sites like rapidshare, there are programs that bypass those (i'm not sure exactly how, but one way or another they are bypassed).